Yours truly, interviewed by Anthony Etherin at the Penteract Podcast. Topics: meaning-making in poetry; the devolution of the sonnet; the neglect and marginalization of formal poetry; the sinister aspects of claiming all art is political; a redivider that is an ars poetica (which I mangled, under pressure); and a bilingual sonnet Mother Nature wrote within the genome of a cat. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-penteract-podcast/id1498654536?i=1000647668472