Is your house hooked up to an electrical grid at all?

Ok maybe YOU can say that lol

Yes, and those are man made products that require materials and labor in a manufacturing environment which requires energy, generally from the sources listed.

People don't understand that this discussion is about the entire life cycle of the asset, not just the first 5 years of ownership and the manufacturering that went into it. Also, people fail to recognize that utility scale renewable energy plants are feeding more and more daily demand. It's like planting a tree that you will not see all the way through it's lifetime yield

Even today it still costs more to build a solar panel than it will ever generate in its entire lifetime

You know how those solar panels are made ?

Well, if you charge your car at night when you’re home. Then there’s a chance that you’re using electricity generated by some other means. Unless you are not connected to the grid, and you only have solar and battery cells. You’re using some kind of fossil fuel. Not to mention your completely, ignoring the fact that that battery has an enormous carbon cost to mine, transport, refine, transport, produce, and then transfer again to its destination.

That doesn't count for those guys 😂