we say ny short for nyc so if you say you from ny we assuming you talking bout the city not upstate .. cus if and when we HAVE to talk about upstate we say upstate not upstate ny . so if you having a conversation with a nyer and say you from ny and then say somewhere upstate we gonna tell you thats not ny . obviously we know it is ny but its just not ny in our definition bc we call the city ny and upstate upstate